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[magdalyna]

So I didn't think I'd talk about Mr. Brendon-gate, but apparently I am.

Not cutting, because your layouts will be fine tomorrow(1/9/08) morning.

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I was taling to saline_joy about this, and some of this is taken from a comment thread we had.

I first want to clear up a vocab word or two that will come up.

Porn = wherin for values of porn, we take that to mean "stuff about people having sex"

Pornfiction = wherin for values of porn, we take that to mean "stuff about people having sex, with varying levels of romantic sappiness thrown in"

We write porn, yes, but we also write love stories, and there's a difference in the two.

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I just... it frustrates me that it's "ok" for young adult dudes to act like that.

Being informed only from things like Anal Adventures IV and last months' issue of Cosmo does not excuse crappy, douchey behavior.

I love porn and pornfiction but its crap at teaching intrapersonal relations and things like using lube and asking please before facials happen.

Porn shouldn't be how people learn the workings of sex, but because Western socioety in general and America as a whole is so freaked about sex ed(how to both put a condom on and talk to each other the morning after) for minors, we don't.

The fact that Ryan snips at Jac's photography while doing the same thing shows us something.

The fact that Pete makes thinly veiled comments about every girl he's ever been with shows us something(Ashlee's dieting issues{She means to me what i mean to Rap, check his blogspot for that header}, Jaenae).

The fact that people dismiss the "scene queens" but laud the male versions of them is really telling, perhaps most of all.

Seriously. Pete is dating Ashlee who is more famous than he is and I'm sure the added publicity for his band, DD and gross looking clothing line(said while wearing some of it) isn't keeping him up at night.

And yet its girls who are called "star fuckers".

Ryan internet stalked both Jac and Pete before they dated and signed his band. It may be the internet, but stalking is still stalking.

That emo is actually very hyper-masculine wherew girls are groupies, song material and muses is still unacceptable, guyliner or not.

Which leads to another thing: girls in bands.

Hayley Williams from Paramore, Alicia(techs count), Greta from The Hushies, Amanda Plamer, Lyn Z & Kitty from MSI. Ashlee's a solo pop star, but she goes here as well.

Where is the fic for them, exactly? Theres more about Brian, and Matt Cortez and Zack than even Greta.

I have problems with Hayley's outlook(Once a whore, you're nothing more, I'm sorry that'll never change - from Misery Business. She's trapped in the same whore/bride dichotemy that Ryan and Pete are.) on this meta actually, but still.

I'm sick of this huge gaping chest wound of a double standard in my music and in the larger world.

Brendon's dochey please-let-someone-kick-him-in-the-neck behaviour is only a symptom of this.

Comments

[magdalyna.livejournal.com]

If there are Scene Queens, then there must be Scene Kings to go with them. By this I mean theres a corallary to the girls.

Calling her out in an interview after stalking/splooging over her already famous self is just an interesting little dig to his personality - he unlike William, doesn't acknowledge he can be a prick, or Gabe's nasty guy.

For Pete's, its beyond tacky and into gauche.

Paramore is aparetnly Christian rock, by the band's own admission. A host of bands I love have Xtian roots, but none handle it as ... (oddly? smarmy? distatsefully?) as they do- redemption, turning the other cheek, etc. is a huge part of what Jesus was talking about. he's supposed to have hung out with fishermen, prostitutes and social/pyhsical lepers. He was a radical hippie in the original sense of it.

Thats not what i hear from them at all. D:

But going to something that others like warmingweather have brought up, about artistic subjectivity: music critics rag on bandom b/c they are "derritive of part emo bands" and so fans talk about how art is personal and subjective and then badmouth Jac's photograhpy and the like the next sentnece. Its insane.

[queenofhell.livejournal.com]

If there are Scene Queens, then there must be Scene Kings to go with them. By this I mean theres a corallary to the girls.

True, but there are less of them--probably because most scene kings will be taken seriously once they start a band, whereas chicks in bands aren't taken seriously, and a lot of women don't have the confidence to join/start a band. Chicks are told that their only value is being attractive and attracting a man, so it's not surprising that a lot of scene chicks focus on image and have famous boyfriends.

I don't have a problem with Jesus, I just think the institution of Christianity is kind of screwy. But mostly I meant that being uber-Christian doesn't allow for a lot of slashy hijinks, which we in fandom love.

[magdalyna.livejournal.com]

probably because most scene kings will be taken seriously once they start a band

Which is part of the main issue.

I'm fine with Jesus. I'm also fine with Buddha and Ra and Zeus and Muhammad and Moses.

But Paramore is ... acidic about it in a way I can't condone.